I hate to have to bring up this OLD NEWS, but the topic is very important to me especially in my work of skinning German aircraft ...

Is this Fake News or is it true?

It seems to have been brought up in 2018 in several publications that ...

"The Entertainment Software Self-Regulation Body, or USK,
announced on Thursday that games including Nazi symbols
such as the swastika, whose public use is generally banned
in Germany, could now be sold if the symbols are judged
to serve an artistic or scientific purpose or are used in a
historical context."

Games should be treated the same way films are treated. Also, USK judges will decide if content has "an artistic or scientific purpose, or helps to depict current or historical events." Why doesn't someone contact USK regarding combat flight simulation games such as Warbirds, and well as our competition? I'm sure these kinds of historical simulations will be allowed. We perhaps simply need to ask!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat- ... es-1133927

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/europe/g ... index.html

https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/ge ... 202901769/

I saw no place reported a discussion of combat simulation games. Has anyone seen news regarding historic depictions of the swastika on military vehicles?

The following link (BBC) has additional not to mention interesting information regarding killing robots and crying koalas. Funny!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651

If the answer is still "No Swastikas" in Warbirds, what about using the following symbol on planes?



or ...



In Battlefield 5, as of June 2019, this is their response:

Whereas games like Wolfenstein have you fighting Nazis
emblazoned with swastikas, the World War 2-set Battlefield 5
has sanitised the conflict. There are no swastikas (although
there are German Iron Crosses, a symbol used since by
Nazi-aligned groups). A story level where you fight on the
German side has you play as non-Nazi German conscripts.

And, here, EA has now stressed it is "not making any political
statements" about WW2, a conflict sparked by the rise of a
fascist political party, which was voted into power before
murdering millions.

"The aforementioned Elite, Wilhelm Franke, whose name we're
changing is not a Nazi, but a German solider similar to ones
we already have in the game," EA concluded. "In Battlefield 5,
we're not making any political statements in relation to the
real life events of WW2 and there are no swastikas in the game."

Not that choosing to make a WW2 game with de-Nazified
German soldiers is a political statement, of course.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019 ... tlefield-5

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Here's one plane I would like to skin. Notice the adjusted symbol on the tail (click):

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This would also allow to give Finnish planes their correct WW2 markings. Their horisontally aligned blue swastika isn't even a Nazi swastika, but the personal emblem of Count Eric Von Rosen from 1917.

<edit>You can't vote unless you log in...I did vote. <edit end>

Can't seem to be able to vote unless I'm missing something.
I vote for allowing the Swastika. It is time to stand up to the
PC crowd and not let History be forgotten, lest we repeat it.

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"To the victors go the spoils." And Stalin gets a pass where Hitler does not.

We continue to have a rightfully critical view of the death and suffering caused by Hitler and the Nazi regime and therefore "sanitize" films, books, and other media so that we would be exempt from criticism that we are—in some way—glorifying any atrocities that they committed. Yet, we somehow look the other way when allowing Soviet markings to appear. Stalin and the Soviets arguably killed millions more than the Nazis but seem to get a pass on this today.

I'm not a fan of "sanitizing" any of this. It happened. Removing symbols will not make it go away and keeping them will not perpetuate or glorify the wrongs committed.

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Nick

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Agreed, Nick. Well said.

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If you erase history, then it gets forgotten to rear it's ugly head again at a future date. That's my 2 cents.

"Victors write their own version of history - and we are all losers if we believe them".

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I voted for keeping the swastika for historical purposes. However if it legally cannot be used in Germany, the 4 bars with circle looks correct at a distance and would work as a substitute.

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According to BBC and Time, the Swastika ban for video games has been lifted. There should be no hinder anymore if we want the skin art to represent history.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45142651
https://time.com/5364254/germany-nazi-s ... s-history/

"The Entertainment Software Self-Regulation Body, which decides on national ratings for computer and video games in Germany, will now allow games with Nazi symbols such as swastikas to be deemed “socially adequate” as long as the the symbols are used for historical accuracy. The move now puts games on an equal footing with films and other works of art, which have likewise been allowed to use the symbols if they were used for accurate historical depictions. "


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/Robert