It is currently Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:05 am

All times are UTC-04:00




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:53 pm
Posts: 811
work in progress shot by Iart. (he's good at this ain't he)


Image

_________________
VISIT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE HERE
https://en-gb.facebook.com/RAF-Duxford- ... 822661588/


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:10 am
Posts: 52
<S> Iart that is outstanding!
Hmmm maybe time to revisit the IJ :)

ta bollok for posting

_________________
Image

Reisen pilots have big hinomarus


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:05 pm
Posts: 64
Location: KRNH
Wow!

_________________
Image

"Tod von Oben"


Top
   
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:23 am
Posts: 28
Nice work on the Heinkel!

Maybe it's a nice idea to have the front windows with the small round glass, like it is presented at Sinsheim Technikmuseum with this CASA 111
Image

Regarding the windows you can find all variants when searching for original b&w images.
I would assume that sometimes the front windows may just have been painted over...

Here are images form the production line where the front windows can be seen closed & open:
Image

Image

_________________
Oni San
Fog of War


Top
   
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:03 am
Posts: 329
Thanks Bollok for posting that screenshot. I have now added hinges
to the rear elevators as well as the words "Nicht Betreten" (do not
step here) in several places.

The reason I asked is because I painted the Totenkopf (skull) in the
position where it would be if the windows (or doors) in front would
be. The 3d model we have has windows there and thus the skull is
partially hidden. No big problem. If the windows were painted over
like was suggested by Onisan or if they are doors that can be opened
then the skull would show up entirely.

Attachment:
File comment: Totenkopf
Screen Shot 2017-12-07 at 7.02.34 PM.png
Screen Shot 2017-12-07 at 7.02.34 PM.png [ 211.25 KiB | Viewed 6151 times ]


Another question that is no big problem is this: see the B/W photo
and you will notice the spinners appear to have gun holes. Could
this be a gun or an opening to cool the engine? It is modeled in
the WB plane.

Attachment:
File comment: Spinner Gun
germany_attacks_raf_fighter_command.jpg
germany_attacks_raf_fighter_command.jpg [ 42.79 KiB | Viewed 6151 times ]


Still hoping for glossy or smokey glass. :roll:

_________________
My Ideas for WARBIRDS 2020

MacOS: El Capitan 10.11.6
Hardware: 2011 iMac 27" with El Capitan
Processor: 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5
Graphics: AMD Radeon
Memory: 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Facebook Page: Warbirds Skins


Top
   
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:54 am
Posts: 1191
This site has a lot of detailed info on the Heinkels. Does not seems like they had cannons/MG's in the engines though, which several Bf 109 versions had.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... raft_id=99

Really nice work Iart7!!!


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:13 pm
Posts: 93
The holes are most likely access points to affix the propeller spinner (although different attachment methods are possible).
Alternatively it could have provided cooling air to the propeller pitch control system. I'm not the expert, but some web searches could shed some light.
The early 111s using the DB601 vice the Jumo 211 introduced in the H series had radically different spinners, similar to those on the 601 powered 110s and 109s.
I think it quite safe to say there were never any guns mounted in the He111 engines.

Crashed pic is of an H-2 with Jumo 211 engines. Presumably forced down on 30 Aug 1940.

_________________
Muzz (muzz--)
Sqn Ldr
Past CO 417 Sqn RCAF
Supporting Liberty and Justice

Muzz's Maps on the S3 Site


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:51 pm
Posts: 41
Muzz-- wrote:
The holes are most likely access points to affix the propeller spinner (although different attachment methods are possible).
Alternatively it could have provided cooling air to the propeller pitch control system. I'm not the expert, but some web searches could shed some light.
The early 111s using the DB601 vice the Jumo 211 introduced in the H series had radically different spinners, similar to those on the 601 powered 110s and 109s.
I think it quite safe to say there were never any guns mounted in the He111 engines.

Crashed pic is of an H-2 with Jumo 211 engines. Presumably forced down on 30 Aug 1940.


A "Hucks starter" usually protrudes from the spinner.
Hucks starters were in vogue pre to early WWII.
The Japanese used them on Ki-43/44s and betty bombers.
Do a google search for HE-111 walk-arounds and you'll see at least 3 types of spinners.
No, there never was a Motorkanone mounted in an H-E111.


Top
   
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:13 pm
Posts: 93
A bit of a thread hijack. Some interesting reading from Flight Magazine, circa 1943 on the Jumo 211.
Interesting note in the first page of the article, if the analysis is to be believed the engine was capable of mounting a cannon firing through the airscrew shaft, similar to a DB601.
Based on online searches, this was not possible on later Jumo 211s, possibly only on the original 211?

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1943/1943%20-%202102.PDF
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1943/1943%20-%202103.PDF
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1943/1943%20-%202104.PDF
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1943/1943%20-%202104.PDF

Nice German manual on the Jumo 211B und D here:
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/junkers-211-pdf.55747/
Pretty sure the assessment about a provision for a cannon fit in Flight Magazine was an error. No mention of a possible cannon fit that I can see in the 211B manual, but I can't read german either!

These engines all used inertial starters, so pretty sure using a Hicks starter wasn't what the holes in the spinners were for. Photos of later 111-H and later variants all seem to have the holes covered over. Could have been used as inspection access points. Not a pitot head. A puzzle for another day...

_________________
Muzz (muzz--)
Sqn Ldr
Past CO 417 Sqn RCAF
Supporting Liberty and Justice

Muzz's Maps on the S3 Site


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:53 pm
Posts: 811
what you see is just a hole in the end of the hub....

Don't forget those sneaky germans designed these planes as passenger aircraft that could be easily converted for military purposes.
Hence why they have windows.


I would defo paint them in so you see the skull display properly

Image

_________________
VISIT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE HERE
https://en-gb.facebook.com/RAF-Duxford- ... 822661588/


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 Next

All times are UTC-04:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 30 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited