Believe me Jabo, I understand how hard the FM guys are working. I did that for several years, as you may recall.
We have better tools, now, and thanks to Robert and the others on the team, a constantly improving FM development curve.
It's so much better than previously that I'm actually staggered by it!
I just found it odd that last spring we had the extra boost and now it's gone again. The previous model, from this same team, had boost to 21lb and 25 lbs.
I'll be delighted to see the hurricanes re-worked... the FM's in this game are light years better than ever before, but the spit 14 flew so badly for so long- for whatever reasons- that it's sort of a sore spot with me. (As was the horrible model for the 190A8!)
Anyhow, kudos to Robert et al!
finn

The spitfires are all leftovers from D&D and will be checked / reworked in due course.
Others in much more need of attention have been looked at first

150 GRADE FUEL / Crossbow / 2TAF
- The P51D is now modelled with 150 grade fuel and 72" HG. (as such its an ETO variant strictly speaking)

- The Spit 9e is not currently modelled with 150 grade fuel and +25lb. (spits are pending a check / rebuild)

- The Spit 14e is not currently modelled with 150 grade fuel and +21lb. (spits are pending a check / rebuild)

- The mosquito FBVI for release end Nov 2017 will be modelled with 150 grade fuel and +25lb.



On the subject of Spits. it had long been a wish of mine to edit the line up a bit.

- Rebuild the Spit VC as the LF V version full wing and RR Merlin 50M engine
- Add a Seafire III (most produced carrier version) with same RR Merlin 50M engine

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/lr765.html
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/w3228.html

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You are right on Finn. The FW190A8 has been reworked and given the choice in the last S3 between it and the Bf109G14AM it was about an even split. Previously nobody flew it except masochists.

I believe the biggest problem that Robert and Bollok found was how the wing parameters were discovered to be so screwed up with almost every airframe. idunno also helped with that and me...well... I was just hmm glad they only want me to provide data to fills holes.

As for the development curve. That's all from Bcamel's awesome FM Generator he has coded combined with the time the other gents are putting in.

I remember when he started it, it was like 2 or 3 years in the making before we started using it. REally proud of how all you guys have picked up the ball and really ran with it.
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I remember the discussion about 150 grade fuel in 2016. It was discussed for at least a week with input from several people. Two of the most decisive arguments were about gameplay balance and most importantly about historical accuracy.

Gameplay balance
The Spit IXe and especially Spit XIV are already among the absolute top notch fighters of the game. This has evened out a bit now with new flightmodels being released. While most late war planes can usually excel in one or two areas like top speed, turn rate, climb or roll rate etc, the Spit XIV is very competitive in nearly every aspect. In the last S3 series it whooped the butt of the Axis Bf 109's and Fw 190's with a kill ratio of 101/20 (5.05 positive ratio). If the Spits were given 150 grade fuel boosts on top of their already great performance, then it would probably make Spitfire lovers very happy. It would however screw the balance for everyone else and we could soon see only Spitfires fighting Spitfires in the late RPS. The gameplay balance aspect is the same reason as to why the Me262 isn't enabled except for the odd day or two.

Historical accuracy
As I remember the historical aspect was however the most deciding factor for not giving the Spit IXe and XIV the 150 grade fuel boosts. The P-51D new flightmodel was given a 150 grade fuel 72" Hg WEP first after a thorough discussion, were plenty of evidence was put forth that this fuel was actually of widespread use in fighter vs fighter missions in ww2 for the Mustang. This was as such representative for the P-51D's performance when fighting enemy airplanes. The Spitfires however almost exclusively used 150 grade fuel for V1 hunting missions. This fuel was very expensive and only used on rare occasions for air superiority missions vs Luftwaffe fighters. The absolute majority of Spitfires that the Luftwaffe pilots had to fight did not use 150 grade fuel, as it was reserved for the squadrons protecting London from Hitlers bombardment. In the Legacy Arena you are fighting other players, not hunting V1 rockets. As such for a themed S3 series the 150 grade fuel boosts could be correct, but in the normal arenas it would not be representative for the Spitfire's actual performance in ww2 dogfights.

If clear evidence can be brought forth though that 150 grade fuel was indeed the norm for Spitfires in air superiority missions, then this could of course be implemented.


Cheers!
/Robert

For European campaign only, right?

I do not know if that fuel was available in the Med or Pacific theaters if it was reserved for use in select missions for the defense of, or support of the Isle.


Good stuff, all.

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Yes, technically the P51D in the game running at 72"hg is an ETO variant.
The Americans tested 115/145 fuel in the pacific but the fuel was only produced in small batches for testing so this was mostly experimental.

Personally I don't believe in positive or selective discrimination.
Anyway something to look at when the Spit FMs are reviewed

By mid August the V-1 diver threat was largly eliminated with the advance of the allied armies beyond the launching areas. The ADGB squadrons (UK based) that had converted to 150 grade fuel now found more time to operate over the continent. The Spitfire IX Squadrons were permanently pulled off anti-diver duty on 10 August and went over completely to escort work, sweeps and armed recces. They paid their first visit to Germany on 27 August 1944.

The Spitfire XIV squadrons quickly got into the swing of it with 350 Squadron scoring on 19 August by shooting down a Ju 88 on the outskirts of Brussels. By early September the Spitfire XIV units were engaged in operations over Germany.

In December the Secondary Tactical Airforce 2TAF (based in France, Holland etc) squadrons were being converted to 150 grade fuel

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